“Oh, I found another Roma that I like. Alfonso had been talking about making this movie, for those of us that know him, for about 20 years. He had one plot, another plot, and he changed protagonists, but he was always incredibly interested in making it transcendental, powerful, beautiful, but incredibly solid. I think that the last image of her going basically into the clouds is one of the most poetic. And it starts on the ground, reflecting the clouds. It’s a very pejorative beginning, and then the purity that acquires at the end, seeing her ascend into the clouds, is so beautiful. Alfonso, I love him, but I envy him. I am in awe, and he’s very, very cruel with my brain, but I adore him.”